Hello Gosselin fans! I'm telling you, I was one of the first to post that big Jon Interview and it traveled quicker than the speed of light to everywhere! Everyone has something to say and the trolls over at GWOP and beyond are busting a gut over it. Though many fans were more upset that Serena the troll was back and causing trouble on the blog again, adding more links that people get from me basically and using it for evil (lol). Serena thank you so much for ripping me off! SWIPER NO SWIPING!Ohh the weather outside is frightful! But my desire to snark is so delightful! While I was more excited about Jon finally speaking on this interview than finding my Yoplait Whips Mousse on the supermarket shelves I was very upset about this reporter. She tried to make all her nasty GWOP-type questions sound legit but majorly FAILED "uhh exploit your kids a little bit???" but I really cringed when Jon answered alot of them. Why cant anyone say mind your own darn business to anyone anymore. I would have been majorly offended and would have probably said "uhh I don't exploit my kids, sounds like you've been talking to Serena again and her imaginary reporters." I guess I get upset because she was REALLY trying to add "Well the people want to know!" comments over and over again, to reiterate that she took all the questions from the hate blogs and didn't appear at all to have researched any of the fan sites and what they have to say. But I applaud Jon for answering the questions truthfully. Some of the hot topics:
Review of The BIG Jon Gosselin Interview!- By Baby Mama
1. The Children & McDonalds: Speculation as in one episode there was a cup (duh people, could be the camera guys cup?) and the happy meal bag in Utah. (perhaps just for the bigger girls, maybe for the kids once but who care?) Its boggles the mind how if someone sees something once, they will fault Jon for not clarifying his comment "ohh Jon WE know they ate McDonald's once!! haha we caught you!" I think his comment was meant as they normally don't eat fast food. I LOVE how people try to feel vindicated when they try to catch people in a lie when they are just exaggerating a point.
2. Kate's parents not seeing their grand kids. From what I read, Jon is correct in saying that currently these grandparents do not see much of their grand kids. Clarissa took her pictures down last year for a REASON. To keep the looky-loos away and because of the issue with her parents. Those photos were removed first, then less than a week later everything was gone.
3. Love offerings. Now this want on the video but I will throw up if I hear another person bring this issue up. They are ALLOWED to ask for anything they want regardless if they are or aren't wealthy. If offsets the speaking fees. You are not obligated to give them anything. And if your in such dire straights why are you there?? And if your not a fan, see the question prior! And for the record, they are allowed to sell pics. for $20 if they want to. They are saying the money goes to the kids, if you don't want to buy one don't. Its that simple.
4. Kate being laid back (hehe) I believe that she is more laid back than we see because of editing. They only film her when shes mad or stressed out about something. Im sure they could do the same to any of us. Ahh those crazy editing people!
5. Jon "It all goes to the kids anyway". There was people on other blogs that wrote how they wanted to see all their tax information and see what Jon & Kate contribute to the kids accounts. like its any of anybodys business. The nerve on some people. My daughter just took the last $3 out of my wallet. Do you care?
6. Jon talking to his mom. People don't understand the concept of this poor woman not wanting to be filmed. Someone on another blog said. "ohh she never sees her grand kids!" Uhh woman how do you know this? Jon himself says he talks to his mom everyday and girlfriend is even texting! But because shes not on tv that's not good enough for you?
7. Jon's new business ventures. Wow! I really hope that all this cool stuff with the Olympics really happens, that would be so cool! He needs to get his own cool thing so we can laugh when the trolls get wind of it.
8. Jon talking to Bob that day spoke VOLUMES. People don't want to believe they are still in contact. I just loved reading that, just to contradict whatever was being spread to the contrary.
Jon Purchases A Condo In Utah- TLC dad at home on local slopes
I was so excited to read HERE that Jon was purchasing a place back at The Canyons for himself and Cara. My dad did something similar for me in Florida and I will always appreciate it. He seemed to really love being there and it looks like we will see for ourselves in an upcoming episode! I guess it was worth it for that place to give them the stay because Jon's there to stay!
Kate Gosselins A Big Hit At a Speaking Engagement in Utica
Another fan meets Kate HERE. I love to read about all the great people that had a blast meeting Kate. This blogger has very pretty photos of Kate as well!
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I am super happy i found this site, i even added it to my new blog site! http://ambersrantsravesreviews.blogspot.com/
I really think this is soooo sad people have so much time on there hands to talk so negativity about a family they never even met. I love Jon & Kate and i wish them the best, i hope they dont read the blogs the trolls post on! You can tell they love there kids and im glad they made the choice to keep all 6 little eggs that day.
Kudos to Jon and Kate and for all the haters out there, get a life really...
2 dogs??? I'm so excited for the Gosselin kids to have dogs to play with!
I'm calling BS on the Serena/reporter. I am editor of a magazine, and while freelance reporters do use gmail or hotmail accounts, if you google this person's email the ONLY sites that come up are Jone and Kate hate sites. Also, she gives no last name and doesn't give the name of her publication. Any freelancer will tell you who they are doing the article for, at least those I've interview with.
I promised that I wasn't going to say anything. But I have received several e-mails about this. I can't WAIT till this again blows up in their faces like the PennMommy thing. Serena is getting those trolls all excited because they had nothing on that site for weeks but open discussion & re-caps. Then all of the sudden shes back and out for blood using all my stuff (lol). This so called journalist has been on several sites for MONTHS trying to get stuff. They got nothing. For the record: Serena VERIFIED PennMommy too. Its all a total hoax. Mark my words!
Maybe Serena is PennMommy/Possum!! Now wouldn't that be a twist!
Baby Mama I had the exact same thoughts when I read about Serena/reporter. She needs something to keep GWoPPers busy.If the reporter does turn out to be real it will be somebdy from "The National Inquirer" or one of the other sleazy rags.
Let me start by saying that I do think that most of the people on GWOP take things ridiculously out of hand and make speculations that are completely made up. BUT, your "responses" do gwop's legitimate greivances are delusional.
1. John says "our kids have never eaten fast food" and you interpret that as "I think his comment was meant as they normally don't eat fast food." That makes no sense. Their family wants to present this great image of themselves that is completely false so they lie about it. No one would hate them for giving their kids mcdonalds or letting them watch T.V. but lying about it? thats where people take issue
2. what does "Clarissa took her pictures down last year for a REASON. To keep the looky-loos away and because of the issue with her parents." have to do with wether or not the grandparents spend time with the other grandkids? the REASON that the grandparents dont spend time with the kids is that Clarissa took the pictures down to keep out lookey loos? that makes no sense.
3. Love offerings. Sure, they are ALLOWEd to ask for whatever money they want. But it doesnt make it right. portraying themselves as destitute to coerce people into giving them money is wrong when in actuality they are buying 1.3 mil dollar houses and vacation homes in luxury ski resorts. So yea, they are ALLOWED to do whatever they want, but it doesnt make it right.
4. I agree with you on this one. GWOPer's allegations that the reason that Kate is so much more laid back now because she must be drugged are absurd! those people are ridic.
5. "It all goes to the kids anyway"-I honestly do feel that Jon and Kate are living off of their kids. I take offense to the fact that neither of them have jobs. it just doesnt seem right. two unemployed people buying million dollar homes and vacation homes from money they made of their kids just isnt right.
6. Yes, If Kate's mom doesnt want to be filmed then she shouldnt have to be. Just because we dont see her on camera doesnt mean she doesnt exist or isnt involved. GWOPers demanding that we see them on TV is ridiculous.
Anyways, I hope this comment gets posted. you people constantly complain that GWOP doesnt let positive comments regarding the gosselins through (wich is totally true), so i hope that you arent exactly like them, because i feel I have been completely objective in this post and discussed both the good and the bad of this family.
I agree 100% that this reporter crap is another hoax! Why would a legitimate reporter go to a hate site? There is plenty of information out there already about the inconsistencies with Jon and Kate. Look it up yourself Jess.
I think this is Serena's way to yank peoples chains, sick, and get some trolls to pop in.
I do disagree that the reporter was nasty, I think she did a good and fair job. I think Jon and Kate need to come up with a better way to answer certain questions.
I feel all of this negative from all these GWOP or anyone else in general is just craxy. If people dont like them or the show...why do they watch it. Why do they check the fan blogs...it is such a crazy thing. I really hope the Gosselin's keep thriving and really put all the negative behind them and keep focus on their family. I will always support them and tune in!!!!
I watch the interview again and Jon said they have never been through a drive through . So there you go he went through the drive through but not with the kids:) Who cares if once in there little lifes the eat McDonalds!!!
I thought the interviewer was asking questions in a GWOP type fashion. I think she sounded a bit snotty.
Meghan I really like how you started your post because I totally agree with you...Let me start by saying that I do think that most of the people on GWOP take things ridiculously out of hand and make speculations that are completely made up..
The really big issue I have with GWOP is that they perpetuate lies, pass off extrapolations, speculations, and innuendos as truth and they (the posters and the moderators) do not know what truth is. That is wrong and immoral to me. And, they are just downright mean ripping apart these children's parents (and sometimes the kids themselves). They are in no way "advocates of the children" as they claim. They are really just blog bullies.
Why is it that they don't post something that is in favor of Jon and Kate? Because they want to keep their spin cycle going. GWOP is the real scam, not Jon and Kate, as they claim.
Meghan,
First of all how do you know were Jon and KAtes money goes? How do you know they do not give the proceed to trust funds? You don't, just like none of us do. It does not matter if J&K have a job outside of the home. It is no different then a movie star. They make 1 movie a year and get $20,000,000.00 +. Why do you think those people are so special and the Gosselins are not. As for living off their kids, that is an absurd comment. Will Smiths son made a movie with him. Tom Cruise's son just made a movie with Will Smith. Is that child exploitation also? Big deal the entire family is on a TV show. They are in a lot better place then most people. I am not sure why everyone focuses on the fact that J&K do not have outside jobs. The only thing that comes to mind is pure and insane jealousy.
Yes, it is absolutely true that GWOP perpetuates and fabricates many many lies. They kill their cause as advocates for the kids by how ridiculous some of their assumptions are. However, I still feel that their original intentions and grievances are absolutely legitimate, they have just ruined and clouded them by speculation and lies. I am definitely anti-GWOP, but not necessarily a J and K supporter.
As far as knowing where their money goes and wether or not J and K have jobs: They just bought a million dollar home and say that they're buying a vacation property. Neither of them have jobs, they used money from the show and from "love offerings" given to them to buy these extravagant "wants". No, they are not "needs" they are wants. They continue to ask for and take money from people who they lead to believe that they are struggling, when that clearly is untrue. People who work long hard hours at work are struggling to pay bills. The Gosselin parents do not even have jobs, and then have the audacity to ask people for money. That is what I find so wrong.
Meghan:
I just want to respectfully disagree with you on two of the more important points:
Love offerings: I feel like we have been over this a million times. It is a common practice in many churches for speakers to accept love offerings instead of a speaker's fee. Whether the speaker is Warren Buffett or Ed McMahon does not matter. The love offering is NOT charity given to someone who is impoverished - it a strictly voluntary gift to thank the speaker for sharing their experiences.
I have yet to find any credible evidence that the Gosselins have been portraying their CURRENT financial condition as anything other than blessed for many many months. Do you have recent information that can confirm that they have been poor mouthing?
Your point about Jon and Kate not having jobs is not exactly correct in my opinion. They do have jobs outside of the show. No, they are not 9-5 jobs. Kate is an author. Jon & Kate have both been paid to be spokespeople for various products. You may not like them or think they are deserving of this good fortune, but the fact remains that they are bringing money into the family separate from the money the show earns.
Meghan-Yes, they do have jobs. When they signed on to do the show, they signed on with TLC. They work in the media. Do they work 9-5...no. Their job is eccentric. It's not 9-5 and it can be more than 8 hours a day.
As a person who works in the media, let me tell you that what people perceive as "fun" is actually work. I work in radio and there are so many aspects that people wouldn't even think of as "work" or a part of my job, but it's there and I'm expected to do it. Technically, I can "work" 20 hours a day (actual on air show, doing a remote, web content). It's all a part of the package. A lot of people think "oh you have a fun job, you get to play records". No. It's way more than that. And, yes, I love my job because of the whole package it entails.
In many ways because they too are in the media, it's the same with J&K. Promoting that show is a heck of a job in itself. Jon and Kate are doing lots of p.r, not to mention doing the show. So, when I see people say that they don't have jobs, that's where I'll jump in and say, "oh yes they do"...it's with TLC and their show.
Their money and where it goes, is none of our business. They are indeed a working mom and dad who have successfully branched out in this media format.
J&K may have accepted love offerings in the beginning, but there is no proof that it is still being accepted. That is a resurfaced extrapolation from posters on sites who can't accept and be happy for a couple who have transended out of a desperate situation. They have stated in interviews and on the show that they have been giving back because now they are in the position to do so.
Anya...we must've been thinking and typing at the same time. :)
You know what I find more disturbing than anything the Gosselins have done on film? The selling of the Duggar's oldest child's chastity. We got the episode about the proposal and the kissless courtship, we're going to see the wedding episode next week, which includes the first kiss EVER for this poor couple, and skeevy as it is, see Jim Bob give Josh a man-to-man talk. I don't know if I want to see that. And, the cherry (pun intended) on top of the TMI sandwich, Joshie and Anna driving to the hotel in their wedding finery, playing a fundie endorsed, "how to do it on your wedding night" CD on the car stereo.
Ummmm. EW?
Oh, but you know I'm gonna watch it. I may need to bleach my brain afterwards, but you bet I'll be watching.
Where are the Duggar Hatin' websites on this one? Exploiting Anna's virginity and making money off it? Seriously? Do we need to see this? I mean, we're not seeing the actual act, but we're seeing everything else and enough information and innuendo to know that the door is going to shut after the wedding and that poor girl is going to get jiggy with a guy who's not going to last five seconds (because we know the first time sucks. Come on). I'm sure we'll have nothing close to this coming out of the Gosselin camp. Can you see Jon or Kate allowing this much TMI to be discussed about their kid's sex lives? Jon strikes me as the kind of guy who will not want to KNOW when his daughters have a sex life (in other words, a normal father).
Yeah, it's a bit skeevy and ten times worse than anything Jon or Kate have ever done or said on their show. If anyone says that this family has NO PRIVACY, then they need to watch Anna Duggar's face as she's paraded in front of a camera while her virginity is discussed in front of the whole country (do you wonder if she really know what she was getting into when she said "yes?") and then you tell me who has privacy and who doesn't. We even hear about Michelle's freaking CYCLES. We may not see any skin during an ultrasound, but I'd rather see that than her daughters charting the days on a calendar and knowing when their father is "gettin' some."
Sorry, but all the whining, complaining and manufactured righteous indignation about the Gosselins, especially on GWoP, just sounds phony and hypocritical. Which, let's face it, it is.
So it turns out the trip to UT was paid for by TLC. Does this exonerate them because they didn't "waste" their money not going to a local ski area or does this make them even more evil for yet another freebie? Will our wise elders let us know the answers? (Just kidding, I really don't give a crap).
"No one would hate them for giving their kids mcdonalds or letting them watch T.V. but lying about it? thats where people take issue"
Meghan, that's not *where* people take issue. People take issue EVERY FREAKIN' WHERE!!! They have said many times they try to eat organic when they can and at home. We've seen them in many episodes going out and eating amusement park food (Dutch Wonderland, I think?), hotdogs at the ballpark, etc. So, #1, they're not "lying" and #2 do you seriously think this is a grand offense even if they did "lie"? About fast food? REALLY???
The "they don't have real jobs and exploit the kids" has been discussed OVER and OVER and OVER (so excuse us for not replying "oh my gosh, I hadn't realized, I better stop watching this show immediately!"). On this FAN site we don't agree or we wouldn't watch the show (who would want to watch a show where you truly believe children are being exploited? Oh, excuse me, there _is_ such a place - GWOP).
To MoreCowbell:
"and skeevy as it is, see Jim Bob give Josh a man-to-man talk. I don't know if I want to see that. And, the cherry (pun intended) on top of the TMI sandwich, Joshie and Anna driving to the hotel in their wedding finery, playing a fundie endorsed, "how to do it on your wedding night" CD on the car stereo.
Ummmm. EW?"
OMG, if I had any stitches I would've torn them right out laughing so loud!!! Anyway, there's no way to know if Anna's "cherry on top" is actually intact or not. If she ever did anything, the last people to know would be her parents and TLC. To make a show about this is ludicrous and distasteful. Eeeeuuuuwww, exactly. So, after you've watched it and bleached your brain, please share all the juicy details. :) I'd watch it myself except I once watched Michelle Duggar for about 5 minutes and almost threw up all over my brand new HD tv.
I forgot to check the box to have followup comments emailed to me, so I have to do this lame empty post, so sorry...
Yes, I do think that we should just respectfully disagree that we have different opinions that we are entitled to.
I understand that J and K put a lot into promoting the show, doing spokesperson work etc, however I would not compare this to a legitimate job in media, nor did either of them get those jobs because of their own talent and hard work. They got it because of their 8 adorable children, who are being exploited for K and J's personal gain. I realize that we disagree on this, but that is my opinion.
Speaking of the media/entertainment industry, yes I know that it is not all fun, that it is "work".I know that, because it is what I do. Granted, I am only a kid and this isnt something a make a living off of, but I have worked in film/tv and theater throughout my childhood. and 50% of what i make goes into a blocked trust fund that I (nor my parents or anyone else) cannot touch until i turn 18, because that is what is mandated by the law here in california (well the law only says 15, but my parents/I put in 50). They can pretend all they want, but the gosselin children ARE WORKING. I did a reality show once and you do not simply do things normally while cameras follow you around. shots have to be staged and reshot sometimes many many times to get it right. There are no laws protecting the gosselin kids in PA like there are here in CA, but there should be.
Let me reiterate, I do not support the people of GWOP. they are ridiculous and I know that. There is no need to remind me. They tell all kinds of lies.
Meghan-
I can see your point here...I understand that J and K put a lot into promoting the show, doing spokesperson work etc,
But, then this is where we disagree... however I would not compare this to a legitimate job in media, nor did either of them get those jobs because of their own talent and hard work. They got it because of their 8 adorable children, who are being exploited for K and J's personal gain. I realize that we disagree on this, but that is my opinion.
They are in legitimate jobs Meghan. Just because you've never worked it, doesn't mean it's so.
While it's true that we know of the Gosselins because of their unusual circumstance (two sets of mulitples), this show is a way of providing for the children. J&K's "personal gain" is providing for their kids and making sure they are taken care of.
So, you think that they are doing the show to make money for themselves and to spend it lavishly on themselves? I think that is bunk. This is where your GWop mentality needs readjusted. Re-read the threads on this blog and perhaps you will see the Gosselins differently.
Just wondering...how old are you? Perhaps you may be talking of experience from the show you did...which was? Every show is different and I'm guessing that for the G kids, at such a young age, it really is just the cameras following them,and not a shot that is filmed several times. That is more for their parents and we have seen those re-takes.
Since you are in a reality show, why didn't you tell us this on your first post. From your first post to the last, it seems you've switched an identity. Or at the very least gained one?
I am confused about the Serena stuff...I might just have to travel over to GWoP and see what the fuss is about.
I just want to clarify something about the speaking engagements. I am sure I mentioned this here before, but my husband and I saw Jon and Kate last February at one of their engagements. They talked of their financial struggles during Jon's unemployment but DID NOT say OR imply that they were struggling now. It was very clear that the deal they have with TLC has changed their lives significantly, financially speaking.
And THANK YOU to Anya for clarifying the "deal" with love offerings. Why is it so hard for people to understand the concept?
About the fast food issue. This is my feeling on the subject. Yes, we saw the McDonalds cup in the twins room, yes we saw Jon bring Happy Meals to the ski school for the kids. I took his comment to mean that if they ever have eaten at McDonalds or other fast food places that it happens to infrequently that he could of honestly forgotten about it. And perhaps Kassie is right, that the one or two times that the kids have eaten McDonalds etc, they did not go in the drive-thru. Maybe Jon was being literal in his statement. Ugh, who really cares! If all we have to pick apart is if Jon is lying about fast food, then all I can say is we all really need to get a life!
Carol, how do we know that TLC paid for the trip? Did I miss something?
Did someone on another site really say they wanted to see tax forms?!!!! Please! What is wrong with people! It is none of our business what the Gosselins spend their money on. Good grief. Would these posters be so rude and ridiculous to their friends and family and demand such nonsense ?
Thank BabyMama for posting another fan meeting Kate! Kate looks great but I am not digging the new highlights, too stripey for me!
Still confused on the Serena interviewer thing. Can someone explain it to me?
So what if the kids eat fast food occasionally? Mine do and its fine in moderation. I sometimes think Jon and Kate don't want to endorse it. Its their choice.
I am not sure what you are insinuating regarding changing my identity between posts? I am a teenager, but i won't identify myself online any further, as that can be dangerous, and it is unnecessary. I haven't done any significant work through which i would be recognizable so it really doesn't matter if you know who I am.
BEE- I actually stumbled onto this weird journalist on both Cafe Mom and that hating troll Moons blog. I dont want you to give GWOP any more hits (lol) so I will say it here. It was some generic statement saying if you have any negative dish on the Gosselins, please send it to me since i am a magazine journalist and I going to wrtie an expose piece on them. Now I think Moon was smart enough ot ignore it and not take it seriously. Well with Sera back she must have gotten the e-mail as well.(I got it a few weeks ago and thought it was spam)
What struck me as odd was this was sent to ME nd I'm a fan site. I mean, wouldnt the person see my e-mail address and get the point? But no I got the same generic message. Now Serena CLAIMS she verified this, but she also swore up & down Penn Mommy was real, and after the whole fiasco she removed that from her site. She took a little break and the blog started tanking. Now it appears shes back and looking to start a fire again. So she put on the site AGAIN that she verfied this person was legit. I guess, in the hopes that we wouldn't remember the egg on her face.
Megan- Welcome. Please note that trolls pass through these parts quite frequently. I always give people the right to voice their feelings. But this is a FAN site. Please keep that in mind as I do remove posts that I feel don't fit this blog.
i do feel that Jon & Kate try to portray an good image of themselves. And sometimes what they say is interpreted differently. I just told my girlfriend I gained 20 pounds when it was actually 5. I exaggerate alot. Does it make me a liar? Does it make Jon this horrible liar when he says his kids dont eat fast food. What if the only did once and he forgot? Is he the horrible person people are portraying him to be? Is he intentionally trying to defraud you? I think people that dislike them intentionally use something this petty and stupid to call them flat out liars. They arent. I am, but thats another story (lol)
Many upon many blogs have commented per-nausea that Kates parents are one egg short of a crate. Wait that makes no sense. Whatever you get my point. Jon & Kate do not need to give anyone an explanation as to why their parents are not in their lives. They appear to be frequent in any of their grand kids lives. Why does anyone care about that to begin with?
I also need to re-word what I wrote regarding Clarissa. What I meant to say was the pictures of her parents were removed first, when apparently the strain was starting, when we all found out about he blog she promptly removed everything. Jon and Kate DO NOT tell people they are destitute girl1 Like this hasn't been mentioned 100 times? Their story is about how they WERE and how they are now. No one is begging or money, that's what the haters say to try to make them look bad, along with nit-picking about stupid petty stuff.
I take get upset when I hear people take "offense to them not working". I have cried for weeks after having to go back to work, its been the toughest thing Ive had to do,. If my husband and I were Jon & Kate, we would be doing the exact same thing and not giving a rats behind what people thought. My husband WISHES he could be home with me and the kids. He works like a dog and we hardly see him. Those that are not in that situation, are quick to judge. People take offense to them not working because they are JEALOUS plain and simple. Because if you had money, wouldn't you like to stay home? Now, you would work like a dog anyway? More power to you. When you have kids that cry because they never see you, then we can talk (lol) ;)
Again, Welcome
LITTLEMISSSUNSHINE~ It kills me to delete your post, but I had to. I love me SomeMoreCowbell and to call her a hypocrite regarding the Duggars was a problem. For one, this is AGAIN a Gosselin FANSITE. If you want to talk about the Duggars feel free to go to Duggars Without pity where they are bashing them there. They are equal opportunity bashers over there! But please feel free to post again!
Oh hey Sunshine face is back! I thought she said she was going to leave us all alone.
Calm down Sunshine maybe Baby Mama just hasn't gotten around to reading and editing the comments yet. If she had, yours would probably not be up here. I still fail to see why she bothers you so much.
Why don't you just drop these hard feelings and move on? None of the J and K hate sites let anyone call them hypocrites. I think Baby Mama has been very civil to you.
But I am sorry you let little things like people commenting on the Duggars get to you. Like you said people are allowed to not like J and K. Why aren't you talking with those people?
Oh and I actually like the Duggars. Not every J and K fan bashes them.
Still love the site Baby Mama!
We really have no room to judge other people lifes, the GWOP have nothing better to do then write hate messages, i wish id of found this site sooner!
Meghan said...
I am not sure what you are insinuating regarding changing my identity between posts? I am a teenager, but i won't identify myself online any further, as that can be dangerous, and it is unnecessary. I haven't done any significant work through which i would be recognizable so it really doesn't matter if you know who I am.
January 15, 2009 8:27 PM
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Meghan-I was not trying to find out who you are, I could care less. I was merely trying to compare the "amount" of work involved. No two shows are the same. But, if you are indeed a child actor, I can see how you feel resentful of J&K and perceive their kids as working on the show. You really can't use your own show as an example because no two shows are alike. The process may have like elements, but the atomosphere and terms of conditions are all negotiable.
I do find it odd that your first post sounded like a young person. Your second and third sounded different, as if you're a mom, as you seem to understand the process of payment and trusts.
Either way, if you are indeed a child actor, sounds as if you are accusing J&K of "living off their kids" because you perhaps feel used by your own parents? Do you think you're projecting your resentment to the Gosselins because you identify by being a minor and you did/do indeed feel like you were working?
I guess I just find it "convenient" that we are graced with the presence of a child actor.
Bee, I found out that Jon had the TLC crew in tow on this latest trip to UT by following this link I found on another forum:
http://www.parkrecord.com/sports/ci_11445037
It appears to be a legitimate news outlet, so I assume it's true the trip was paid for.
Thanks for defending MoreCowbell, Baby Mama, as I adore her posts. :) I don't see why disagreeing with the Duggars and/or finding them distasteful (I do) implies it's hypocritical not to disagree with the Gosselins? I like chocolate ice cream and not vanilla; am I a hypocrite?
Anyway, this is Baby Mama's party and she can [edit] if she wants to (and thank goodness for that!!!)
I watched Jon's long interview last night and I really enjoyed it. I felt he explained himself well no matter how intrusive the questions got (could she have repeated any more her question about Kate's parents not being involved?)
I do not need to post anything.LOL:) You guys said it all. Well done!
I think Meghan is a "Gossipers wishing of Popularity" spy. She sure can add to a story.
You have the GWOPpers on the run Baby Mama. Keep up the good work.
Obviously LittleMissSunshine also forgot to replace the batteries in her sarcasm detector. If she read my post, she'd see that I DO watch the Duggars. They may creep me out...actually Jim Bob and Josh are the ones who creep me out. Sometimes Michelle and her programmed, vacant stare do, too. ANYWAY, I watch BOTH the Duggars and Gosselins. They both have their share of critics, but the level of crap that Kate goes through online is light years beyond what Michelle Duggar or Amy Roloff have to put up with, and they show things on their shows that are of questionable privacy, too. And their families get lots of cool freebies, but I don't feel like they have to endure half the hate that the Gosselins put up with. Some of those whack jobs "over there" have me seriously worrying about the Gosselin's safety at times.
I like all three shows (LPBW, 17/18 Kids and Counting, J&K+8). I watch all three shows and when I feel it's warranted, criticize all three shows. I also stick up for them all when I feel they've been unfairly targeted (which let's face it, Gosselins win there, so I defend them more).
Soooo....what's hypocritical about that, again?
I can promise you that I have always been the same person posting all along. The only reasons I brought up trusts and laws protecting child actors (or "not actors" if in fact the Gosselin kids arent working,) is because if they did the show in California or New York, they would be required by law to deposit 15% per kid into a blocked trust account or "coogan account" as they are called, wich only the kids would be able to access and not until they turn 18. This applies to kids in any aspect of the entertainment business, including reality television. But since the Gosselin's live in PA, they are not protected by these laws. That was all I was pointing out. I am certain that the G kids will have plenty of money leftover and wont be poorly off, I am just saying that even kids in reality television are subject to this protection because it is considered "working". In fact, if the Gs did live in CA or NY or several other states, Mady and Cara would be required to have a work permit that must be signed by their school in order for them to appear on the show. And when the little kids started kindergarten they'd have to have school approval as well. This creates accountability and another level of protection for the kids, that I think is important. If the school felt that the kids were being adversely affected by filming they could refuse to sign the work permit. Anyway, I am getting off track here, but basically, if the Gs didnt live in PA, then the kids do would be considered working by law and they would be subject to more protection. I have no resentment towards my parents for "living off of me", the purpose of my comment was merely to point out that what the kids do is considered working by law in many states, and I believe they should be protected by the same laws as I am. And really, its nothing special to be a child actor. They are a dime a dozen out here.
And I agree with the poster who said "I watch all three shows and when I feel it's warranted, criticize all three shows. I also stick up for them all when I feel they've been unfairly targeted ",. That is how I feel about Jon and Kate +8. Obviously GWOP is unreasonably and ridiculously hypercritical of every move the Gs make. I've stated many times that I am absolutely anti-gwop, hence my presence on a blog called "the anti gwop". I do my best to be objective and open minded regarding the show and the family and am bright enough to recognize the lies and fabrication that appears on gwop. Heck, there is no pleasing those people. They have no respect for privacy (i mean tax records, really?!) and will critisize J and K no matter what they do. They say their tired of vacations and then complain when they get an episode featuring every day life (like the soup episode) and say its boring. Trust me, I am no fan of gwop.
You will notice that my posts have become increasingly more neutral towards the show. I am reasonable and listen to others explainations. I havent blindly argued repeatedly that the Gs are bad people. I've brought up points and others have responded to them. Some of them I have agreed with and some I have respectfully agreed to disagree with, but I am nothing like the people on GWOP. I don't think that J and K are bad people, I just dont feel that they are infallible. I admire them and appreciate them and I do beleive they have the best intentions at heart, but I do have some disagreements with some of their practices. I am still a fan of the show and of the family, but I refuse to be blindly devoted to either loving and supporting the Gs regardless of any contrary evidence, nor will i maliciously spread hatred towards them. That is all I am trying to do, and I have a lot of respect for the decorum of the posters and owners of this blog, who unlike some other blogs are respectful, accepting, and reasonable. I hope you dont mind my presence here.
Meghan-thanks for the nice, thorough note. I think it's much better to say as you said I admire them and appreciate them and I do beleive they have the best intentions at heart, but I do have some disagreements with some of their practices. than from a previous post of yours (the second paragraph of your very first postAs far as knowing where their money goes and wether or not J and K have jobs: They just bought a million dollar home and say that they're buying a vacation property. Neither of them have jobs, they used money from the show and from "love offerings" given to them to buy these extravagant "wants". No, they are not "needs" they are wants. They continue to ask for and take money from people who they lead to believe that they are struggling, when that clearly is untrue. People who work long hard hours at work are struggling to pay bills. The Gosselin parents do not even have jobs, and then have the audacity to ask people for money. That is what I find so wrong.
January 15, 2009 1:38 PM
From these two posts, you have come along way. The first was real GWoppy, the second a more mature understanding person.
Most likely Jon & Kate have had lawyers in since the beginning of the show. TLC and J&K are abiding by the PA state laws. (they have to). J&K also have on numerous occasions let it be known that the kids' welfare is their number one priority and that they are doing all of this for their kids. (as you agree J&K have the best intentions).
I am glad that you realize how ludicrious GWop is and that they are actually a hate blog. I am also glad that you don't think J&K are bad people, but if you're talking about infallibility in regards to their religion, than I would have to say that they are practicing family and that is a wonderful thing. I don't think that J and K are bad people, I just dont feel that they are infallible. I admire them and appreciate them and I do beleive they have the best intentions at heart, but I do have some disagreements with some of their practices. I guess my next question is what definition of infallible were you talking about (I assumed you meant Christianity) and what are your disagreements with some of their practices?
Sorry for the questions but I just wanted to understand you better in what you meant by that. And once again, thanks for your last post. I do have a respect for you, too.
Lovely new post Meghan. I just have one question. You have repeated on many occasions about PA not having the appropriate laws, for child actors and reality shows. You do know they have lived in PA all thier lives, they did not just move there to do this show? I was just wondering, not trying to be ugly.
Oh, sorry, let me clarify. My comment had NOTHING to do with religion. Religion is a very personal thing that is no one's business to critique or judge. Over at GWOP they are constantly saying that the Gs are bad christians or they mock their beleif in god. attacking religion is a low blow and incredibly inappropriate. By infallible, i was referring to some fans who exalt the gosselins blindly and think they are the greatest most perfect people in the world and would never do anything wrong. (and please dont take that as pointing fingers, btw). If the term "infallible" has a religious connnotation, i apologize, i didnt know, i am not religious. As far as my greivances with J and K, if you really want me to then......
1)I still feel that either Jon or Kate should have a job aside from the show. we dont need to discuss this again as we've already discussed at length wether or not they have jobs and we have agreed to respectfully disagree. I still strongly feel that they should have a job.
2) I would like to see an end to the Jon and Kate's mocking of their own children on television. The past episode the way they talked about mady was horrible, I just felt so terrible for that little girl. especially since they were doing it in front of Hannah. they do this fairly frequently about more than one child and it just isnt a good thing.
3)More privacy-things like drs appointments, ortho exams, and naked/getting dressed etc scenes do not need to be shown on t.v. These are personal moments that are not something all of america should see.
4)No more love offerings. I dont care if it is common practice. no more 20,000 dollar speaking fees. These are tough times and people will do anything to see J and K talk. and we all know that they don't need the money anymore. oh, and no more 20 dollar pictures.
They have lived in PA all the tups lives. If they had moved to PA to avoid the law, then THAT would be a big deal. No, they just happen to live in PA.
Meghan, may I congratulate you on how articulate you are when you write. Many adults (check out CafeMom for glaring examples of illiteracy) cannot write that well or clearly and you're not even 18. :)
I bet if you had a survey and asked only fans (not critics) of J&K if anyone thought they were infallible you would not get a single person answering yes. No human being (except perhaps Mother Teresa, Mahatma Ghandi, Jesus,...) is infallible.
One of the major criticisms we fans get is "how can you worship/support this family?" We do not worship or support them, we simply enjoy watching them. We "support" them in the sense that we're outraged at their mistreatment and vilification.
Parents from all walks of life - me, your parents, my friends, make decisions regarding their children that others may or may not agree with. There are probably parents who don't agree your parents should have let you work in show business. That's the variety of life.
It seems to really, really bother you that the G parents don't "work." They have created a brand (their family) and they market it; they are entrepreneurs. I don't see how their morals would improve by one/both of them taking on an engineering, nursing, waitressing, secretary, what-have-you job. This is a point critics and fans fundamentally are at odds on. I wish everyone would honestly ask themselves why it bothers them so much whether these people who have nothing to do with them have "jobs" or not. I have a feeling that if we removed the Puritanical belief that everyone should "work hard" (and I believe this is subconscious; people might not even realize this is where their intolerance is coming from) the majority of the "they should get jobs" chanters would disappear. It has nothing to do with child "exploitation," it's just Puritanical morals.
Good. Glad you weren't talking about religion, because everyone's own beliefs should not be critiqued or judged. Glad you understand that.
I don't agree with any of your other points. I'm just going to write my response instead of copy and pasting yours due to time constraints on my day, but I'll break it down by your points...
1). J&K do not need a job outside of the show. You (or any of us) do not know of the work Jon does off camera. There are a lot of jobs Meghan where people work from home. It is none of our business. The kids are being well -provided for with 2 parents.
2). J&K do not mock their kids. They are talking about them and it is in a loving way when they're on that Interview Couch.
3). I have never seen a show that had any body parts of the kids. If there was a questionable scene, I believe TLC blurred it. If you're referring to past shows, stop. They're over with. The kids are growing and I highly doubt those kind of things are going to be shown.
4) While J&K may have taken the love offerings in the beginning, there is no truth to the rumours they are taking them now. Love offerings are at the discretion of the church or place of where they talk. Once again, it's none of our business.
Stop assuming that just because they are doing well now, they are doing it by sponging off churches or people who are less fortunate. If people want to donate to their cause (and they do tout Pediatric Cancer that people A lot of what you brought up came straight from the pages of Gwop.
Oops! My last paragraph shoud read:
Stop assuming that just because they are doing well now, they are doing it by sponging off churches or people who are less fortunate. If people want to donate to their cause (and they do tout Pediatric Cancer)that is up to those people and where they choose to place their money. It's not your decision, it's theirs.
A lot of what you brought up came straight from the pages of Gwop.
Hello Gosselin fans....As you can see, each week I seem to have a new "member" that comes and voices their opinion. While its nice to see such a large comment section, I will warn you, if the trolls are out to get nasty, they will be removed quicker than you can say "thequickerpickerupper".
1. Don't try to come here to spread the GWOP credo of hate
2. Don't say anything nasty about my Kate or so help me I will take you by the ear myself and bring you back to the bridge!
GOT IT? Good! Continue then.....
For the record. Imagine being Jon or Kate. Imagine reading that people feel you need to get a job because they're upset you don't work. Who cares what anyone thinks. I would tell the world to go scratch while I played with my kids.
Even if they did work, people seem to hate on them just to hate. They use the kids as an excuse but lets face it. It wouldn't make a difference if they got jobs now or not. Nobody truly cares about kids they see on TV. If they did they wouldn't say anything this horrific about their parents for these kids to see in the future. Period. People are jealous about the freebies, jealous they cant stay home and be with their families all day like them. They're jealous they have money now, and accusing them of still crying poverty when they aren't in order to validate the claims of exploitation. They want them to end the show for their own selfish gain, like "Yay I brought them down". It has nothing to to with those kids.
Baby Mama: are you saying that you would prefer if I didn't post here?
Megan, everyone is entitled to post here, its the reason I started this blog. I would have deleted your posts if I felt they weren't worthy of reading. But I feel I need to remind those that are new including yourself that this is again, a fan blog. Anything Gosselin related that strays from that will not be posted on this blog. Thanks
BabyMama,
I think it is so nice that you have such high standards for your blog! For those of us that are fans it is nice to have a place to come and talk about a family we love to watch. I think it is great that you won't allow trash talk about Kate. If more of us women could unite, protect and support one another, the world would be a greater place!
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